WebInno Panel PR Bashing: Harsh, But Fair

September 30, 2009 by Mike Troiano · View Comments 

I was asked to moderate a panel at last night’s WebInno, the topic of which was “An Entrepreneur’s Guide to Bootstrapping PR.” It included heavy hitters Scott Kirsner, Peter Kafka, Bob Brown and Wade Roush, and we had a good time on stage and off.

Among the key themes of the panel was that, as far as these reporter/bloggers were concerned, PR agencies aren’t worth much. In a roomful of PR folks, you can imagine what happened next. As John Wall of Ronin Marketer described:

There was one question from the crowd asking why PR firms were not represented. David said it was because they wanted a panel of first person accounts from the reporters. I think a key point on whether or not you need a PR firm is your ability to tell your story effectively. You either want a PR firm that has existing relationships with the specific publications or channels you need to get into, or to help you craft your message if you are not a passionate and effective storyteller.

That question was asked by Bobbie Carlton, and she was first out today with her thoughts:

A lot of the statements from the panel this evening came straight out of a time warp. A time warp where press releases are written for the media, where PR = media relations, and all a PR person is good for is writing said press releases and carefully “managing” media relationships.

There was a lot of great information served up in the panel but if I was an entrepreneur, all I would have heard was, “Run away from PR people, they are useless to you. In fact, probably worse than useless because top reporters look down on them as a breed.”

Lora Kratchounova posted a pretty balanced summary of the panel’s advice, including:

Best way to get journalists’ attention? Seek and get a personal referral — otherwise whether you do it or your agency does it for you, your pitch will go unnoticed. Then try and meet these journalists in person and tell them your story. Got the impression that journalists are looking for the raw material, that more often than not, they avoid media-trained people. Because they are after the juicy details, the things people don’t tell you — so the more authentic, first-hand info they can get, the better the chance that they will listen to your story.

Chuck Tanowitz posted a thoughtful critique, climaxing in this juicy anecdote:

After the panel, as I approached Wade Roush, I found myself in a very interesting conversation with one of the panel’s targets: a bootstrapped entrepreneur whose company is targeting application developers. He had a few questions of Wade that frankly were out of Wade’s range. The entrepreneur wanted to know how to talk with specific application development message boards and what impact news and information presented there would have on gaining coverage from Xconomy. He and I then had a nice conversation about communications strategy leading up to his launch. We agreed that getting coverage in the Globe, for example, wouldn’t help him reach his audience, but later may be useful in reaching potential investors, a move that affects his communications strategy. We also talked about his need for a “community manager” who would focus on working with the various application development forums.

And that leads to my main problem with the panel: they preached the misguided notion that PR is only media relations.

Look folks… It’s a fair comment to say the contrarian view should have been represented. And if PR agencies really didn’t add value, they’d be in worse shape than most of them are now.

For the record, as I stated in a comment to Bobbie’s post:

…the reason neither David nor I thought to include a PR person was that the panel’s subject was “An Entrepreneur’s Guide to Bootstrapping PR.” I’ve never seen a PR shop that would get out of bed for less that $4K/month, so the vast majority are off topic.

As for the individual practitioners who’ve broken with the old PR practices – people focused on networking and relationship building, on adding real value… there are a few out there, but in defense of the panel I would say those folks are the exception, and not the rule. Given that, the fact is most entrepreneurs who require coaching on the skills you describe are ill-equipped to distinguish the shamans from the shysters, so going it alone in the beginning does seem pretty good advice.

This isn’t really about PR at all, it’s about the whole broken marketing services model. I believe that social marketing / influence marketing / content marketing / inbound marketing / whatever-you-want-to-call-it marketing is going to take a big bite out of conventional marketing in the coming years, and that it’s already replaced conventional marketing for the kinds of businesses we were talking to last night. The marketing pros who want a seat at that table need to earn it by adding value, in the form of relationships, real-world experience, and the development of content that serves the interests of BOTH commercial entities and their target audiences.

I think what our audience heard last night is that the people who can do that are needed now more than ever. The problem with most PR firms is that their underlying economics are driven by a leverage model that surrounds a handful of the above folks with an army of earnest, underpaid young faces. In that sense the PR firm model is not something that serves the interests of entrepreneurs. In fact it’s something I think is destined for the history books.

We’re intimately familiar with this challenge at Holland-Mark, and are struggling with it ourselves. Is the “junior staff leverage” model really dead, and if so, what business model will support the next generation of great marketing services firms? The truth is I don’t know. But it seems to me that’s the conversation worth having among the “PR” digerati… not the semantic argument about what PR is or isn’t, but how, in the end, the people delivering it will build a sustainable and productive business.

I’ll post the video here when it’s available, please subscribe if you don’t want to miss it. In the meantime, I welcome your thoughts – both on the question above, and on whether last night’s panel was fair or not.

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Michael Troiano is a Principal of Holland-Mark, a leading independent advertising agency in Boston. He spent his early career at top advertising agencies including McCann-Erickson NY and Foote, Cone & Belding, San Francisco, defining business and marketing communications strategy for clients including AT&T, Coca-Cola, and Taco Bell. He joined WPP Group in 1994, reporting to Group chief executive Sir Martin Sorrell, and became the founding CEO of Ogilvy & Mather Interactive in 1995. Mike co-founded New York-based strategic Internet services firm Brandscape in 1996, acting as the firm's CEO and establishing client relationships with Unilever, HP, and EMC before combining assets of that firm with Primix Solutions in late 1998. He became President of the NASDAQ-listed systems integrator in late 1999, increasing annualized revenues from $5.6 to $30.8 million, doubling gross margins, and adding nearly $200 million in shareholder value before the market crash in late 2000. He was with mobile content pioneer m-Qube from its inception in 2002, acting as the General Manager of Interactive when the company was bought by VeriSign in May, 2006 for approximately $280 Million. Mike serves on the boards of several VC-funded technology companies, including that of Cambridge-based Crimson Hexagon. His blog, Scalable Intimacy , is listed on both the AdAge Power150 and Alltop, and he is ranked in the top 1% of the most influential people on Twitter. Mike is a graduate of Cornell University and the Harvard Business School.

  • Mike:
    Interesting. I know for a fact that we have dozens of journalists, including those at the NY Times and WSJ, along with numerous magazines who count on our PR people for insight, stories, connections, access and contributions. That, of course, makes us of great value to clients and to press. You obviously had a narrow panel. As for PR people, their real value is in guiding and steering clients to understand how to present a public face. How to be honest, accessible, and value adding. Some new start up company with a sexy product that the world wants to know about may not need a PR agency if the press is knocking down the door. But I would suggest that with the right people working on their behalf, the results would be 10 times what they'd generate on their own.
  • markotoole
    I get bootstrapping PR for start-ups but they need constructive advice not a PR agency reprimand.
  • Great panel. You did a great job moderating and you also did a great job summarizing some of the controversy. As I've mentioned in my comments to Bobbie's post ( http://www.carltonprmarketing.com/public-relations/the-bad-part-of-mouthing-off-in-public-late-at-night#comment-192 ), PR folks got a little bit too sensitive. Session was about PR in the world of bootstrapping entrepreneurs. Many of the bootstrappers are 1st-time entrepreneurs. They don't know what they don't know. You have to let them make their own mistakes, do the hard work of chasing the journos. Only after they do that, they will appreciate more the professional help. The only reason for a founder to engage a PR pro in that stage is to get some coaching.
    Journos did PR folks a favor. An educated client is a much more valuable client than the one who just engaged you because "they need PR".
  • jongreer
    I took this story on in a blog post called "Know-nothing journalists give bad advice about PR (again). check it out: http://www.catchingflack.com/2009/10/know-nothing-journalists-give-bad-pr-advice-again/
  • Thanks for the recap and new thoughts Mike and thanks to klkassa for putting me on her list.

    Might be speaking out of turn here as I'm late to bed/early to rise today: It's interesting to me that several medium and large PR agencies in our area have laid off (or "reorganized") senior staffers associated with driving social media efforts and setting strategic direction for accounts. Agencies are struggling to balance bodies and bottom line in a downturn economy. There's a risk here in the quest to keep retainers above your $4K figure. Freelancers and smaller collectives (I'm offering SEO, web design and PPC advertising through partners) are probably able to do a lot more for smaller firms, start-ups and entrepreneurs (the audience for the WebInno panel)

    I know plenty of "junior staff" who do great work, but aren't given the opportunity to try new approaches or build meaningful dialog with client contacts or even media. Too often, junior staffers are given a pub list and told to book meetings and fill a calendar. Imagine what happens when the journalist or blogger is blanketed by the same requests for time with no background on the company or quick statement on why it's different & deserves attention. It's almost impossible to cut through the clutter and stand out - especially if you haven't been taught how to pitch in a paragraph or pick up a phone and serve a reporter's needs (not just a client's demands of page 1).

    I get tired of bashing and backlash at bad PR, but then again, its existence and grumpy journalists and panels make it a lot easier for me to get results for my clients ;).

    Adam Zand tweets @ http://twitter.com/NoOneYouKnow
  • Hi Mike, thanks for commenting on my post! One thing I want to comment on on your post is that I agree that the agency model is often the issue. I've worked with and for various agencies who have taken different approaches to fixing the standard agency model, and I haven't yet come across one that does it successfully. (Some get closer than others.) The solo practitioner model has its own challenges too. I've taken to working with a small number of clients and acting in more of a coaching capacity. I also spend a lot of my time advising start-ups and small companies who need help and who aren't yet at the point where they need a full-time or even a part-time person. I created Mass Innovation Nights to help bring some of these people together, and our next event will feature an Experts Corner which will do more to connect the entrepreneurs with experts who can help them (in all areas, not just marketing and PR.) We need a way to efficiently connect people who need something with people who can help, in a cost-effective,efficient manner.

    NOTE: I will caution you (and we can talk about this in person) to not abandon completely the junior staff leverage model. #1 -- there are lots of things that need doing in marketing and PR that don't require a huge amount of expertise and can be effectively done by a junior person, and #2 -- we need to consider how we train and provide a foundation for the junior people in the industry who will be the senior people themselves someday.
  • Look forward to that discussion, Bobbie. And thanks for speaking your mind like a grown-up... your sensible question and post seems to have led to a dialogue rather than a flame war, which is encouraging.
  • klkassa
    Mike --

    I disagree with your statement that: "As for the individual practitioners who’ve broken with the old PR practices – people focused on networking and relationship building, on adding real value… there are a few out there, but in defense of the panel I would say those folks are the exception, and not the rule."

    We have a wealth of experienced, solo PR folks in the Boston area. And they all understand that PR is more than media relations, that PR needs to incorporate social media and marketing strategy, and that social media alone is not the answer.

    Want proof? I'm in awe of the PR, communications, social media and marketing skills of:
    Bobbie Carlton (@bobbiec)
    Chuck Tanowitz (@ctanowitz)
    Adam Zand (@nooneyouknow)
    Greg PC (@gregpc)
    Ellen Rossano (@ellenrossano)

    And those are the folks that are top of mind. I know I've left many out.
  • Thanks for your perspective, and the list.
  • timdempsey
    Didn't get to the show, but LOVE this post and the issue. It doesn't matter what kind of "agency" you are... if your model is let the adults win the business and have the kids do the work you are toast. We were able to steal lots of customer cash in lots of funny ways in the past, and this was one of them.

    I don't pretend to have cracked the code of scalability for what is required in today's media world, but clearly it involves sustained delivery of value, experience, expertise. Breastfeeding, if you will, not Red Bull and Skittles. This is hard for small, startup environments to understand, let alone to choose, but it's all shifting very quickly.
  • Amen.
  • Mike,

    The panel was totally fair and balanced - based on the 'bootstrapping' title and topic of the presentation (and the focus of the entire Web Innovator's group - very early stage companies) it's ridiculous to suggest that the panel was somehow anti-PR.

    You did a good job moderating and IMHO you and the panelists have absolutely nothing to apologize for.
  • Appreciate it, Chris. Thank you.
  • Mike-

    Thoughtful post and look forward to seeing the video. I completely agree about the low value exchange-- most startups can't afford the $ 4K / month minimum mentioned (my experience is that it's usually much higher). Most start-ups are much better off spending that money on design, devs and ramen.

    PR firms are a tax on start-ups who are bad at math. Once you do the math, you'll realize that you'll never again see the senior PR folks who were at the pitch. And by spending even less, the model is even more broken. "Smile and dial" doesn't work in the digital economy, but that doesn't mean that PR firms can't add value. It's just that their current model needs to change.

    Peter Shankman's HARO is a great example of simple technology already short-circuiting the current system, but there is room for much more innovation in this space.
  • Thanks, Ace. And thanks for stopping by.
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